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Brisbane Betar's 50th Anniversary 'Bible Stories' vs. 'It's a Lie'
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Betar Melbourne sells Maon - July 2008
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Remember Me? - Lizzie Kornhaber I do not know if you remember me, Lizzie Schneider from Sydney. Michael Price was over here for lunch the other day and I was showing him my old photos of us at different camps way back. When I can get someone to show me how.... I will send them to you....In the meantime, here's this! I have a passion for
classic cars and own several, as well as rally them and sometimes on the
track with other of the same ilk... So here is one of me with my MG TC 1948, The car is younger than me.....and two years ago crossing the Nullabor on a rally in 1969 XJ6...... I must admit for a good Jewish girl, I have an unusual hobby, but it keeps me young and meet people from all over the world.............. Lizzie Kornhaber (Schneider)
I guess I'm just that little bit younger than some of you lot, not a bad thing these days....... I was in the Kana'im group in the late fifties. I attended Betar with my schoolfriends, Millie Savdie (deceased about 20 years ago), and Di and Debbie de Berg. I attended two camps, one at Commodore Heights; the other I have forgotten where, although I also did attend another camp(let) at Springwood at the foot hills of the Blue Mountains. Ruminations....Danny Rosing was head serang, and the Kana'im leader was Chava [VK - Weissberger]. Eddie Adamek, a year younger than me, is my brother-in -law' brother. He was in the other Kana'im group. Pamela Orr
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August 2007 Dear Sam, We have all known each other for 50 years or more; so, even though we remember you as a sprightly, red-headed teenager, it should not come as a surprise that you are now also 70 years old. Human nature being what it is, we tend to forget that our friends also grow older. Looking at it the opposite way, we are reminded of the story of a bloke our age who goes to a new dentist, looks at his nameplate and remembers someone by that name who had been in his class in school. When he sees him, he says, “weren’t you in my class in Primary school”? Could be, answers the dentist, “what did you teach”? We wish you Sam, a very happy 70th birthday, health and well being. One piece of advice, from some of your old friends:: Never, under any circumstances, take a sleeping pill and a laxative on the same night. In long and lasting friendship, Tel Hai, Your Betar friends in Israel Rosette & Jack Mirjam Danny & Heather Rosing Leah Feder Shim & Perla Feder Yosef & Dora Steiner Miki Golovesky Theo & Anat Balbaritzki Solly & Rosalie Goldstein Henry & Ros Ben-Ezra (Bish) Shimon Addess Frida Sheiner (Goldstein)
Hi Sam Offman As the old song says, Happy Biffday to you, may you never feel blue, ying tong ying tong billabong, happy biffday to ye. spend it happily, ying tong ying tong billabong. Now all together Betarim for young Sam, Ying Tong Ying Tong Billabong. Biffday is the signal t keep on biffing away at life regardless. Cheers from Jerusalem, Alex Auswaks Alex Auswaks
And your Betar friends in the Unites States Harry & Elaine Stuart
And your friends from Australia Hard to imagine what one can say to an old friend at this stage of his life Am not even sure you remembers me, all the same I would like to forward to you, that I will always remember you as you were many years ago. And to tell you that I had a mad crush on you then. Wish you A HAPPY BIRTHDAY....... I am thinking about you & hope that you can look back on your life on all the wonderful things you have achieved and accomplished. Fondest regards Judy Hirsch (Wabnik) Melbourne Vernon Kronenberg, Canberra Anne & Rodney Goutman. Melbourne DEAR SAM- FROM A FELLER MEMbER OF THE "aLTE kACHES cLUB!" i ALSO REMEMBER WELL YOUR RED HAIR AND TEMPERAMENT SOMEWHAT TO MATCH.... NOT TO MENTION YOUR KEEN SUPPORT OF CARLTON, IN THE AFL. YOU CANNOT EXAGGERATE THE SUPPORT, THESE DAYS, FOR THE "LOCAL" TEAM, THE SWANS. i ALSO REMEMBER, MANY MOONS AGO, YOUR HOSPITALITY IN PUTTING ME UP IN MELBOURNE. MY BEST AND MOST SINCERE WISHES TO YOU AT THIS TIME OF TSURES. REMEMBER THAT YOU ARE IN OUR POSITIVE THOUGHTS FOR YOU, AND, WHILE NO LONGER ROOTING FOR ENGLAND, i AM ROOTING FOR YOU! wARM REGARDS, PETER WAGNER.
Rudzki Takes Charge at St. Kilda Shul
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Australian
criminology scholar appointed dean of School of Criminal Justice
Adam Graycar President Richard L. McCormick has announced the appointment of the distinguished Australian public official and criminal justice scholar Adam Graycar as dean of the School of Criminal Justice at Rutgers-Newark. The appointment is effective July 1, 2007. Leslie Kennedy, who served
as dean of the school for nine years, will continue at Rutgers as a member
of the faculty. Since 2003 Graycar has
served as Head of the Cabinet Office for the Government of South Australia,
a civil service post which oversees the whole of government policies and
activities and advises on broad-ranging topics of government policy,
development and implementation. He also leads his state’s activities in
federal and state negotiations. Prior to assuming the Cabinet Office position, Graycar held a variety of posts in public service and academia. These have included director of the Australian Institute of Criminology, a federal government statutory authority (1994-2003); CEO of the Ministry of Higher Education; and executive director of the Department of Employment, Training and Further Education for the Government of South Australia (1990-1994); Australian Commissioner for the Aging (1985-1990). His academic posts were in the fields of social policy and political science at universities in Adelaide and Sydney, Australia. Graycar is a widely published expert on many aspects of criminal justice and social issues, with a record of numerous books, book chapters and journal articles. He is also the recipient of many awards and honors, including election in 1998 as a fellow of the Academy of the Social Sciences in Australia. He received a bachelor’s
degree with honors in political science from the University of New South
Wales in Sydney, Australia, and went on to complete a Ph.D. in Public Policy
and a D. Litt (Doctor of Letters) in Social Policy from the same
institution. Over the years he has been a member or chair of many boards and
committees, government and nongovernment, in Australia and internationally.
For the past four years he has served as a member of the board of the
Australian Bureau of Statistics, Australia's national census and statistics
agency. Having spent his entire career in Australia, with frequent study trips abroad, Graycar will be taking on a new career role as dean at an American university. “The Northeastern U.S. is just about as far from Adelaide, Australia, that one can get and still be on the planet,” he said. “Taking on the deanship of the Rutgers School of Criminal Justice is a wonderful opportunity to share ideas and educational endeavors across international borders, and offer leadership in a field rich in local as well as global issues.” Graycar said that
technological change has emphasized that crime knows no boundaries. “Growth
areas of global concern include identity fraud, cyber and other high-tech
crimes, new forms of money laundering, crime related to environmental
challenges, and new criminal opportunities that are created with widespread
demographic change,” he said. “I look forward immensely to working in the
academic environment in which we can explore and learn in-depth about the
underlying causes of criminal behavior and the solutions to persistent as
well as new challenges in criminal justice.” The Rutgers School of Criminal Justice (RSCJ) was established at Rutgers University in 1972 by the New Jersey State Legislature, which recognized the need for a formal<> program of study dedicated to preparing students to be leaders in research, teaching and public policy to better address criminal justice issues. More than three decades later, the impact and influence of the school are respected internationally, and RSCJ is ranked as one of the top criminal justice schools in the nation. The school offers a
bachelor’s degree in criminal justice (in partnership with the College of
Arts and Sciences), as well as master’s and doctoral degrees. The doctoral
program in criminology is ranked fourth in the nation by U.S. News & World
Report’s Best Graduate Schools.
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On Monday 9 October 2006 there was an official showing of the latest Larry Sitsky portrait, made by a local Canberra artist, at the Australian National University's School of Music. Photographer: Vernon Kronenberg.
Brisbane Betar's 50th Anniversary
Dear John and Harry, My name is Ben Klug and I am the Mefaked of Betar Queensland. This year we are celebrating the 50th Anniversary of Betar Queensland, and I found your wonderful internet site while searching for information. I would love to hear from you and if you have any information/photos/stories about Betar Queensland that would be fantastic. I hope these email addresses are still in use. Kind Regards, Tel Hai, Ben Klug. Ben Klug Mefaked Betar Queensland 2006 Editor's note: Please correspond with Ben directly at ben_klug@hotmail.com
Hi Harry, Thank-you so much for your fast reply, and for passing the email on for me. I really appreciate it. We are planning on having the reunion around the end of October and want to invite as many old Betarim as possible. I will definitely give you the final details to publish on the site as well as photos, after the event. if you have anything specific that you think should be mentioned or anything you know about Betar Queensland in the pass i would really appreciate it. Even if it is to just say hello to a few people- madrichim or chanichim of yours that are still in Brisbane. I really like the site and think it is a great idea! I would also like to ask your permission to put some of the photos in a slide show for the evening? Goodluck with the move, and I will keep you informed of how the plans progress. Once again thank-you very much Tel Chai, Tara Avrahami
Shalom Tara, I have spent some time at night in this very hot summer trying, in my mind, to work out what to write. Firstly people to email: Lewis Trigger and David Zavelsky is oldest brother of Philip Zavelsky and others in that family. I understand he lives in Israel. They may be able to help you. The people with whom I had contact, or should I say contacted me, to start Betar in Brisbane include people living here with whom you should make contact - Danny and Heather Rosing. Danny was the head of Betar in Australia. Heather (nee Cohen) came to Brisbane with the late Naomi Kronenberg (Kessler) to encourage me to get involved in the beginnings of Betar in Brisbane. The Brisbane people who influenced me into starting Betar in Brisbane were the late Al Goldberg, then President of the State Zionist Council of Queensland, and his son Alec Goldberg who, if I remember correctly, now lives in Sydney. Alec later moved to Canberra from Brisbane and had a bit to do with Betar's operations there - as did Victor Young when he moved from Brisbane. It was decided by the Zionist youth movements that, in smaller communities, there would be just one Zionist youth movement. Therefore for example Perth, I think, has/had Habonim. Brisbane was given Betar. Some people objected to this organisation as, back then, anything connected with Herut, Israel's right-wing political party was very much out of favour. As the Goldbergs and others came to Australia from China where Betar had been very popular they backed the move. There had been a machonik from Brisbane before that but I don't remember what he did. He had been involved, I think, with Habonim - not Betar. That was the late Arnold Newhouse. Arnold died recently in Sydney. There was no youth movement in Brisbane at the time and something Jewish was needed for the community's youth. I was teaching at the cheder (Sunday school) at the synagogue in Margaret Street and stayed on after that and so did those who became involved. We had lunch and then had our Betar meeting. From memory there were Chashmonaim - the younger group, and Kanaim - up to about age 15. (I could be wrong.) I remember being involved in local camps - with the mothers of campers - such as Miriam Ochert being the cooks in the kitchen, and Morris Ochert being there too!!! I did attend Kenes Artzi in Sydney at least once and, later following my return from Israel, Kenes Artzi in Melbourne. I do remember taking Brisbane children to the Sydney camp - by train overnight, in the summer of 1960-61 before I went on Machon. The people who were madrichim while I was running Betar in Brisbane included Brian Grayson (I don't know where he is.), David Bennett and the late Regina List . When I left for machon people such as Brian and David took over the two groups running at the time. When I returned from machon I decided I should not interfere with what they had built up so I set up a group for older Betarim - Bnei Etzel. We met Erev Shabbat at my home where I lived with my mother. (I, by the way, came home at the beginning of October when my father died.) This group lasted a few years, I think. The result, for me, was my marrying Mervyn Doobov, a regular participant in the group. While I was involved with Betar I remember participating in the State Zionist Council of Queensland while Al Goldberg was the president. I know I got satisfaction from doing something constructive in the Brisbane Jewish community into which I had been born and which had accepted my parents and brother who arrived in Australia from Germany immediately prior to Word War II. I also know that when we moved to Canberra, an even smaller Jewish community, Mervyn and I were more likely to do things in and for the community than others from Sydney and Melbourne, because we knew that if you wanted something to happen in a community you needed to do it. I will look in old photo albums for photos and, if possible, somehow send them to you. Can they be faxed somewhere? Maybe when I look at the photos I will think of something else to say. All the very best to all of you, Sue Doobov (nee Gans) P.S. My brother, older than me, is Alfred Gans who is either treasurer or auditor for organisations within the community. He left Brisbane long before Betar was established. P.P.S. Ben Klug - Say hello to your grandparents who were friends of my parents
Editors note: various email addresses have been withheld in this correspondence.
Unravelling Identity: Immigrants, Identity and Citizenship in Australia
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ANZAC Zionist Hero Hailed in New Book
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Double Celebration for Maccabi stalwart
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'Bible Stories' vs. 'It's a Lie' From Sid Agranoff comes this response: Dear Harry, The song was sung in
Betar Sydney using other words, which were later found in the 1960 Sydney
University song book. We learnt it from Peter Wagner, but I think The South African version was in the Australian Betar song book of 1960. [But] it's the Sydney Uni version that I still remember and sing to myself from time to time. Regards, Sid Agranoff Bible Stories Adam was the first man, so we all believe, One morning he was filleted and introduced to Eve; He had no one to show him, but he soon found out the way— And that’s the only reason that we’re standing here today.
CHORUS:
Young soaks, old soaks, everybody come, To our little Sunday school and have a tot of rum. There’s a place to check your chewing gum and razors at the door, And we’ll tell you Bible stories that you’ve never heard before.
Pharoah had a daughter with a most bewitching smile, She found the infant Moses in the rushes by the Nile. She took him home to dear papa, and he believed the tale— Which is just about as probable as Jonah and the whale.
Moses was the leader of the Israelitic flock, He used to get spa water just by striking on a rock; Then one day from the multitude there came a mighty cheer, For instead of getting water he got Pilsener Lager beer.
Solomon and David led very wicked lives, They used to spend their afternoons with other people’s wives, And then in the evenings when conscience gave them qualms, Solomon wrote the proverbs and David wrote the psalms.
Jonah was a mariner, so goes the ancient tale, Who booked a steerage passage on a transatlantic whale, When the atmospheric pressure grew too heavy on his chest, Jonah pressed the button and the whale did the rest.
Samson was a fighter of the very highest class, He slew 40,000 Philistines with the jaw-bone of an ass, The roof fell in one day when he leaned upon a pillar. And this then was the end of Sam and lady-friend Delilah.
Salome was a lady of abbreviated skirt, She invited John the Baptist to a harmless little flirt. But Johnny was a wowser and wouldn’t grant her wish, So she sent him up to Heaven with his head upon a dish.
Note: The above comes from The University of Sydney song book, 1960, and it is the version we sang in Betar Sydney. It was taught [to] us by Peter Wagner.
The version [below - as outlined in the response from the Loyal Reader] comes from the Betar song book of June 1960 and is probably South African Betar in origin.
Note: The chorus in my copy of the song book seems wrong. It doesn’t seem to fit and may be from another song. It goes:
It’s a lie, it’s a lie, For you know you’re telling a lie, You blighter, You know you’re telling a lie
The words of the song from the South African song book From a Loyal Reader comes this response: This is from the old South African song book. We may have used a different chorus here in the land of Oz. I have a vague recollection of- Old souls, young souls, Everybody come To our little Sunday School, And have a tot of rum. - as quoted by Avraham ........ and no recollection of ......... It's a lie ....... etc. But who knows? It was a hell of a long time ago! =========================================================== IT'S A LIE Chorus: It's a lie, it's a lie, For you know you're telling a lie, You blighter, You know you're telling a lie.
ADAM was the first man and he lived all alone, Till Eve was manufactured out of Adam's funny bone. Then after that old Adam had no cause to fret and grieve, Rising early in the morning and settling down with Eve.
ADAM was the first man and Eve was next of kin. Satan was a bad man, and tempted them to sin. When Adam married Eve, he made a hell-of-a-slip, For Eve got the apple, and Adam got the pip.
ADAM was a gardener and Eve his gentle spouse, They got the sack for stealing fruit so they took to keeping house It was a very simple life, was peaceful in the main, Until they had a baby boy, and started raising Cain.
ESAU was a cow-boy from the wild and woolly-west, His father left him half the farm and his brother Jake the rest. But Esau thought the title deeds were very far from clear, So he sold the whole kaboodle for a sandwich and a beer.
MOSES was a foundling whom his Ma one day forsook, Was found by Pharoah's daughter as she took her morning dook. She took him to her Pa and said, "I found him on the shore." But Pharoah winked his eye and said, "I've heard that one before."
SAMSON was a bruiser of the Jeffery Johnson school, He killed ten-thousand Phillistines with the jawbone of a mule. Then up came Delilah, she filled him up with gin, And she left him in the gutter, where the coppers ran him in.
SAMSON was a strong man, was walking down the path, When he met a hungry lion coming from its morning bath. He put his hand right down its throat, and so the people say, When he turned it inside out, it ran the other way.
DANIEL was a bad boy and would not obey the King, His Majesty remarked he would not stand for that sort of thing. He put him down a man-hole with red lions down beneath, But Daniel was a dentist and he pulled the lions' teeth.
ELIJAH was a prophet who attended all the fairs, With a box of patent medicine and a troupe of dancing bears. All prophesied successfully most every afternoon, And he went up in the evenings in his patent fire-balloon.
SHADRACH was a prophet who was chucked into the fire, Was expected by the stokers to immediately expire. But when they opened the furnace, the asbestos laddie laughed And said, "My hearties, keep it shut, I cannot stand the draught."
SOLOMON with David lead immoral lives, Going about and flirting with other peoples' wives, Until one day their consciences began to gives them qualms, So Solomon wrote the proverbs and David wrote the psalms.
JONAH was a mariner who dearly loved to sail. He booked an ocean passage on a Trans-Atlantic whale. But when the fishy diet grew too heavy on his chest, Jonah pressed the button and the whale did the rest.
The number of visitors/month keeps increasing - but some of their origins are surprising...
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it
must have had its origin in Melbourne Betar, because the words "Pilsener
Lager beer" in one of the verses was sung then as "Foster Lager beer"
and at that time Fosters, a Melbourne brewery, was not known in Sydney.
